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This is my blog while at the MSAAD program of the GSAPP of Columbia University. 1st post came with my arrival at NYC. e-mail: eb2283@columbia.edu, ezio@otn.gr, ezioblasetti@gmail.com 

Monday, July 18, 2005

8:58 PM - Keller's notes on midreview

well, propably this is the longest text on the blog so far, so in order to leave things visible around here, I will post it as a comment.

excellent work guys, I just think we should talk more about our projects with each other just to keep in touch with what everyone is doing...

Blogger ezio said...

IAN: 2.10 PM

raw material: city
finding a way to regulate operation of city

acupuncture techniques
altering flow

puncture, pressure, moxibustion

meridians, nodes, free scale networks

superimposition of meridians model onto NYC;

Computation achieved thru iteration algorithms that contain mutable information
iteration index for solaris

NYC meridians?
demographics, transportation, real estate
Roosevelt island

two types
material computation
entropic procee, information degrading over time
virtual computation
incited org patterns.
algorithms found parallels in highway structure.

tissue engineering, knot tying
'epigenetic scaffold'

honey sugar flour
analysis of sustem, building time scale and spatial conditions.
traced behavior as line drawing

imported this logic in contact with meridians in city.

MATHAN: the materials you used- honey, flour- what is the relationship between
those materials? and your concerns with manhattan?

IAN: ease of manipulation, looking for erosion and change over time.

MATHAN: my question is- the relationship to manhattan.
Whether those materials themselves were a diagram of a condition happening in NYC
and by mixing two diagrams you achieved a different output which could then be returned
to NYC.

Considering honey as diagram, sugar as diagram.

IAN: abstract relationship. Kind of like - doing something to figure out what not to do.

MATHAN: self critique then. Having done it, can you reflect on it now?

IAN : reveals fluidity in the city in a different way, slow accretional movements might not
be immediatly apparent.
Zoning changes for example.

for example, honye behaves that way because its reynold number is very low.
Ink is much higher. Comparing this- viscosity- if you drop honey into water, because
of its low renolds #, allows you to predict its behavior over time.
But ink into water generates completely unpredictable behavior.
So- newtonian physics will work up to a point-
There is a moment where a rule will collapse and no longer work.
Can you find the moment where turbulence occurs.
Not just mapping it back as a visual diagram, but rather saying
what would the Renolds number for traffic be?
how can you appropriate this into the city. Relate traffic in this case.
How can you bring fluid mechanics, thermodynamics into this discusssion.

Of course, the graphic exercise helps, but there are other layers you can work with.

in earlier diagrams, the mapping of the sugar/honey was unclear- how it was translated onto

IAN: traced profiles.

ED: long comment on using diagram.
precision in extracting ideas from studies.

MATHAN: are you going to act as the acupuncturist? are you going to intervene?
Where is your role? will you change condition?

IAN: i am positioning myself as acupuncturist
goal is to control to a certain degree what happens.

MATHAN: when talking about zoning maps, etc- how might you actually intervene there?

TONY 2.43

Heterotropic sequence
'audience becomes a participant in a reality that is not necessarily their own.'

FIGHT CLUB analysis.
jack/tyler relationship
illustrator diagrams

This clarified how a person participates in what they believe their own reality.

IMAGE of city and circuit board
grid flow. becoming a maze
constant and smithson examples
NEW babylon: temporality and play

circuit deals with points of circ. and access points-
routes, adjustments, power gen, switches, parallel, collection, resistance.

How flow is a display, not just a flow

city grid
nodes to implant in system
display node, generator, collector, switch point, processor

display network
display along path influences person
how to create a congregation at a point, etc

gnerator. complex form, encounters, turn into places people go to participate
collector /switches
how to use yet?
switch people off normal route and into a system that might be inconvenient

displacement from own reality- workplace, residential
what if this participateion becomes part of everday life.
interface in city space.
kiosk and intervention like matrix.
what happens when info becomes so pervasive that we can do anything with it.

no longer subscriev to int de mag, but to an interior design.

google saves you time... but we want more of a transformation.
Yes, we could argue there are interesting ways of jumping from link to link.
Detectives would have to work in a different way , back in the day

but in arch.... speeding up time might not be enough. Performance, program...
maybe you would have to find a way to introduce a resistor, capacitor, diode-
what would a resistance be? Create a node where people gather but there
is a resistance- political, geographical? how to create a network of systems
to guide you.

As you said yourself... I have seen so many circuit boards at GSAP and SCIArc,
if I saw another I would beat the person up!!!!

But you explained it well...

think a simple way. Meat packing district. Cows come in on trucks.
Then the get chpped into bits, then vans come and take the smaller bits
to the restraurants.

This is something that could be paralled in arch.

Of course i don't want to be too heavy on the architectural, but - what would
be a resistance? What would be rerouting? Duplication? Iteration?

TONY: How people interact with these...

SHADI: I ride a motorcycle a lot. After the blackout, the lights in the city were totally out of whack.

DOUGLAS: outside of the relationship you are locating- geographic and spatial mapping of the way one system
works onto another- and the decoding of symbols- now needs to be mapped onto something you understand as city.
You are taking too cursory a perspective of city- such as one way/two way streets- this is problematic.
because it forces you to play with metaphor as opposed to understanding the performative aspects of the system.

And, the question of what you are trying to do. Slowing down people, disrupting their patterns... this may not achieve
the heterotopia you are after. How can you map this concept of heterotopia on many scales in the body.
single body, rituals, disruption in system... cascades into larger systems. Network of reaction.
So, theatre, city based on heterotopic- but which is the 'best ' scale to implement what you are after?

Trapped between ideas of bodies and flows of information, and what I would like to see in the project is more
than this street object, but a datum of the heterotopic system and then an index of how you inflect the city and
how the city begins to change.

EG> Republican convention was an interesting system. Liberals and repubs. engaged with police mediating at a different
level. Argument was one of economies. this was justification for certain kinds of disciplinary response, arrests, etc.

ED: you have to think about how active you are as a designer. you are designing a kind of street theatre,
what outcome do you want and how do you define an individual's reality.

DOUG: as re heterotopia- not so much which you go after, but how you can successfully plug scales of these units in
to produce those moments. Different bottom up [street theatre] versus encyclopdic system like wikipedia.

MATHAN: when you initially talked about your study of circuit boards- do you think this is any less passive?

TONY: if a person participates in a new flow- that would be difference between passive and active-

MATHAN: last slide, you've seen minority report- advertisements, etc
public space but environ shifted to him. by changing paths- redirecting people- whether you are thinking of people like chrome ball moving thru a maze- but not fully considering the viewer audience- mapping those- you should take a moment to study the demography of the areas you are interested in, as well as class/culture structures in the sites- this might be a way to contest your
circuit idea with the way people occupy space, the audience. Re read the areas thru demographic, culture, etc.


DAVE: 3.16
'pre specialized'
small to large
the pre specialized unit. Like a stem cell

not kit of parts. actually have intelligence to grow via interaction with environment.
stem cell becomes 'bone marrow' for example in the context it's subjected to.
larger network. neural network. Like rands corp recasting network as decentralized
question of headquarters... should not... for many reasons.
Org may be a target, also org needs to be evolutionary. multiple member orgs should be able
to contrib. with roles changing. Response network. for global scale. anything from ecoli to protesting at
G8, etc.

pre spec unit - airdroppable.

blood clot example.

computational algorithm for generating arch.
a species of potential solutions
cube with skin weavings

FINAL QUESTION: is this a modernist project?

MATHAN: is your ambition architectural or is it a planning strategy?
That can manifest in non centralized org?

DAVE: both, planning org, but also keen to explore implications on arch.

DOUGLAS: Strikes me that your prespecialized system is almost a perfect system.
Ultimately looking at this as an org logic that mobilizes a human imperative- and prioritizes things-
thru ethical structure, power, etc- we've seen many of these systems put into place [UN, etc]
How are you beginning to understand not the conditions of implementation- we can look at the
'prespecializtion' as a dogma, a kind of theology. Mobilize even conditions that we haven't thought of

Operates at the biopower level. On other level project is akin to nanotech. Problem with this is not the ability
to finetune it, but to ask 'what should we produce?'

What are the problematics built into your system?

DAVE: each org can have its own powerplay. you can characterize the genetic algo. as the representational authority
of a system. Say MOnsanto has a desire to quash a particular event. The algoR of the system itself could take all inputs from
the member states and choose which input is more valuable/which is taken up.
One critical difference between this and religion- it is not dogmatic, but more evolutionary by design.
Critical point- who decides and on what basis.
For example. One one level eColi is a horrible thing, but on another scale it may well be necessary.
DEEP ecology. system works itself out in the end.

ENRIQUE: that would be the ultimate desire for religion.

SHADI: Stem cell- there are so many things we don't know.
What it can become is unclear. BUT, when you follow the process minute by minute- it would be more interestin,
if you end up with an arch. project at the end- what about taking process again- if it was NOT a hands off at end, and
if as time went on this device would not have a total master plan, but you'd have to orchestrate an entire process to
see how this will work. Logics of inputs/outputs. What ends up guiding the making of this.

How can you trace the logic of this. How does it work. what is the algorithm.

MATHAN: whether system is reactive or proactive. question of ethics before system starts, reactive will have
different one than proactive.


ROLAND- 3.58
org. inhabiting city
behaviors not prescribed
drift in behavior as well as drift in architectonic

crowding, flocking
model of networked organisms

animations testing swarms/flocks
two sites, NYC and a town in india
agents in NYC massing model
programmatic system
virus model
replication, mutation of self and host, ability to transfer junk DNA
transmission of attribute. Like heat thru gas
fluid dyn simulation
transmission of atttribute into particles.

take this from heat transfer into behavioral/tectonic transmission
simulations of transfer of attributes

conceiving city as particles/points of info
each points has a series of values-
organism is mobile agents moving thru city- transmitting arch and programmatic info
then they also conduct a series of actions in the making of architecture.
positing arch, program, structure
xfering dna- materials-
xferring style, or altering and mutating system.
perhaps actions contain own aesthetic
points in space? cellular packing?
depositing form, struct.

how a cell might be panelized. Panels conducting attributes.
goal: understanding of thermodynamix and FFE systems
delanda article. in FFE systems where certain kind of morophogenesis
emerges, where newness is formulated.

Project at series of scales. Time scales. Building. depositing architecture. Also
instantaneous scale- virtual interaction of agents in process of design.

SHADI: in the two chaos systems- the FFE and those already in Eq. with turbulences that push away
from Eq.

City needs shakeup;.. the buildings going up now- the cookie cutter schema- this city needs backward scenario
the 911was too much political, but now we have arrived at something MORE NEAR Eq. - so how can we imagine
moving away from it. If you run the simulations you did, the question: what are attributes, what are they doing,
in order for this to be fruitful you need to set some value to things and method of interactions.

ROLAND: so far the project is a set of tools.
Each time laid into city has been arbitrary, just looking at how system operates at that scale.
Next move is to identify real attractors, what is operating in the city.
Tendency in simulation to move to Eq. Project is about info sharing in city. danger in project is that its
goal is sameness/homogeneity.
Here I am interested in the viral model, mutation.

Local Eq, never universal Eq.

CARLA: why do you need this system?
You can try to answer by comparing to the tool in photoshop- you can color by copying
clone tool. is your system doing this-

ROLAND: just an interest in understanding emergent phenomena. How form comes into
being in the world- if thru abstract machine systems, complex systems- then how can we
generate arch. thru this.

CARLA: I ask because this is what it will do , in some ways. So I ask about the expectations
in the system.

ROLAND: well, perhaps the slide was misleading. I don't want to clone parts from one
place to another, but to pick up small bits of infor. and then relocate/mutate.

CARLA: but is it a continuous disturbance?
How do you expect that it can perform intelligently?

ROLAND: perhaps not intelligence but autonomy.
more interested the more it begins to be autonomous- the more it has ability
to evolve its own desire.

SHADI: Lot going on here- swarming flocking, temporal based samples, studies.
All emerging in time. Are you proposing a temporal structure- take CHRISTO intervention
in Central Park- does your project emerge thru flocking- it appears at certain moment of
time? Is it a monument, or is it gone the next day-

For you to make emergent phenom- out of flocking virus, convection- etc.
Take more than a couple semesters- exercises were excellent- developed sensibility.
You may not have answers but you watched and gained an intuition.
Now you need to apply this intuition.

EG if many nightclubs move into west side then maybe hot dog stands move in at night.
Or zoning changes; views blocked, legal reactions;

ROLAND: temporal nature is in space of design. Not meant to be temporal project
or design process creating monument... is sequential process of accretion. agents perform
actions, actions create a bit of architecture. Maybe model for urban planning more than arch.

ENRIQUE: why would you want to relinquish authorship?
Even if you can't!

ROLAND: orchestration instead of invention....
translate my desires in to arch by seeding the agents with my desires...

ED: you need to take a stronger position-

DOUG: which variables?

CARLA: Exactly.

DOUG. Ultimately, what Carla is talking about- not whether you like the system but
how are you going ot implement it which demonstrates intelligence which
gets at the idea of NEW.
Enrique's point- overriding idea of newness is a removal of embedded desire or will...

ENRIQUE: the followup to this- what Ed said- but what I like your project, you were
expecting to find the new in the existing-

it would be a surrealist technique if you agents unveiled conditions...this is the dividing line
between the thing becoming automatically arch, or if it offers a possibiliy you can take or not.
Lautremont encounter between umbrella and sewing machine, etc.

You can have this as a machine you've constructed to discover the new in architecture.

ROLAND: my interest not in newness per se...
so far created toolbox; first started with programatic, now interests more
in drifiting. Not defined yet where drifting to.

CARLA: but again, if you look again at the notion of variable- a short concept but
great potential. It is a concept to create yet another potential. dimension that can be modified to
yeild another result. YOu can't predict flock behavior- but two rules will suffice-
proximity to food and to species. This connects other phenomena- when flock at work, seems
sometimes like ritual dance, sometimes just movement.

This might seem simplistic in beginning, building a tool to understand new propositions,
such that it can give new propositions AGAIN. What would be way to work with it if you
can input variables. Constructing a machine to give laws/guidelines.
Computational systems... prescription mode of justifying design, but others seeking new alternatives
they cannot think alone.

This is why I asked WHY. I am sure you will know when considering your entire process, you will know
whether you want disruption, inversion or to make it clearer for me, a machine to build diagrams for me.

The three materials that most interested you.

SHADI: wouldn't that bring authorship question to another level?

CARLA: but I propose that he builds machine for himself, for him to be the author of choice.

If you construct it for you, can be constructed for others...

interconnectivity of orgs that program mandates
biopower- awareness of each other
humanitarian orgs, people in contact, producers, consumers, etc

information dist. networks
how to send out info
creating nodes in networks, isolations, and creation of systemic awareness
total interactive field
harvesting info
creating system that is self aware
control points in city.

nodes connectivity. handshake
film analysis: communication, away from anthropocentric view
system that communicates with itself

run lola run
lola as agent effecting change in system
variation within repetition
working definition for awareness

idenitfication of key moments in film;
patterns in city
illustrator work
film structural diagram

then less focus on space time interaction of bodies, more on investigation
of how single action could effect change thru entire system
diagram of one element and the different forces that could act on it.

blend reorients from horiz to vertical

mapping perceptual nature of city
acting as network of isolated circulation, repetitive patterns
personal memory
displace centers, like displacing handles in diagrams to effect change thruout
circ. in city

areas of density, circ. intensity.
mapping what would happen if pressure points change

strategy of remixing program of city on specific sites
handshake as diversion of typical flows of city to produce communicative

adaptive programmatic distribution
how to reconstitute back on to a site, new program relationships
diagrams have potential to create widely different interventions

now looking at program within city and incorporate how programs might
resemble taxonomy of diagrams to produce recombinations
adaptive specialization. Create infrastructure without one purpose, not just
responding to spatial but keeps ability to change over time.

promoting higher order awarenss -

MATHAN: when you looked at run lola run,
what do you suppose the relationship between the technique you are using and the roles of the characters
you are tracing-
whether revisitng this on the scale of manhattan- what is technique you are using, how is it characteristically
linked back to NYC

STEPHEN: not looking at role so much as placement of character in scene.
Not intentions so much-

MATHAN: well, my concern is that you might get same diagrammatic outcome looking at another film.

within the film, the three seqs. are run by lola in order to produce a desired effect.
Your project aims to produce self awarenss so city can produce new combinative logics.

But, each scene in the film- outputs different destiny. but in another scene, there is ALWAYS a crash.
This presupposed that the film has certain loops built into it.

You need to identify conditions within that specific event in the film, correspond to self awareness, then
abstract to diagrams, but feedback into the city.

for example... warehouse, becomes gallery, gym, studio, etc.
where does the system of awarenss of that urban typology- does it defeat any proposition of
what its typology is, or does it have a system that rebalances itself-
when you look at maps of the city, where does you system produce self awareness-
bringing in class issues- where in system do you find resistances so you can carry them thru the logic you are

SHADI in terms of the pressure point, you need to define what it is. In certain cases, a traffic jam might be pressure point
for cab but not for bicycle. So, when you say this you need to specify the different pressures.

CARLA: but if it is a seed which flourishes and then becomes a seed again, you need to make compromises to allow to pass
from phase to phase.
you specify pressure points as slow shifts, big shifts,
typologically different from other things-
how to connect with neighborhood activity, architectural style, etc.

Meat packing district as hood- new pressure as people occupy.
4 AM you see carcasses, 7 PM you wear the heels and go to shopping.

how to provide a seed that has the capacity to regenerate that friction

DOUG; you don't become passive about how biopower comes into play
system finetuned, localized to hoods, cities- when biopower comes in, it has
to adhere to logics you have in place.

So, vis a vis olympics, could have affected how athletes share with others-
how could produce unique combination only possible in this moment, this city
forcing biopower of olympic event to adapt.

ED: issue of diagram and how to argue for it.


org of experience sequences
pretext context
NYC in between chinese gardens
mirroring the city
six experiences used as content
compress all images
strips, matrix, stories, combinations
Garden lines

World Flows
film: the GAME
DHL, real time, real place, real object

thermal map
script point represents experience to be delivered over the world
gradient anims
net, population, weather
world flows: drug routes
weather noise
inverte relationship between producers and consumers
noise applied to existing routes

object to be delivered
lost highway- patterns -- recreate objects

not strategy for single project

CARLA: Why does humanitarian help has to parasite the drug distribution

MATIAS: capital flows, people flows, employment flows... but at end of day,
you have producer and consumer

When you see this map, most production starts in third world and goes to first, but
humanitarian aid starts first world and is delivered to third world.

CARLA: you are looking for- what the route has to gain by distributing
simultaneously something else.
YOu choose existing route, efficient, to dist. something new.
For this relationship you have to offer an interesting reciprocity with this route,
which may be the next stage of project.

CARLA: scaleless yet still needed to provide level of reality.. but you zoomed out so much-
it seemed real but...

DOUG: not too far from food for oil strategy with Iraq, which produced interesting effects-
euro nations against war, food prices, etc
in terms of what CARLA is getting at- you begin to fine tune, logics, how you produce positive effects
I call them positive effects since I assume you aren't going to match heroiin distr. with DHL just for
efficiency [ laughter]

the idea is ... if you take up such an agenda- to flesh out what in this system are things you need to
subvert. exchange, replace.
Because DHL operates on a global consent of commerce. Drug trade ... well, these things intersect.
Thinknig about as larger system- what parts do you need to replace and formalize, what parts should
stay bottom up.

You can always find most efficient routes, people can deliver without moving outside system..
where does your system have intelligence to pinpoint this and allow you to achicve the effect you

comparing drugs from colombia to miami, then medical supplies from miami to other places in

Landscape scale may be the wrong scale for your project to operate.
Yes, landscape does inform bodies, territories.

MATIAS: Landscape example, strep example.
defining context, host cells.

MATHAN: when you have cases of HIV drugs that have to arrive in africa- smuggled in- they could
take same route- also they are not point a to b relationships either- so, narcotics smuggling one way
pays for arms in the other way.
mapping this allows understanding of relationships- invisible boundaries set up which cause these things
to happen. Gets into embargos, sanctions, etc.
Now dealing with real issues, looking at brief issues- NGOs, terrorism, smuggling, labor forces, etc.
Back to issue of scale- zooming out- but also zooming further in as well.

SHADI: can you show how this will work at multiple scales?
in Harlem? Bronx to Manhattan?
Miami to NY? Columbia to Cuba to Miami? Once you establish this, becomes an engine that
can produce at all levels.
fascinating to track a package going thru DHL, even if going only from 19th street NYC to 18th Street
will go to truck, to center, etc.

What are you after? more efficient?

MATIAS: no, more concerned about design process itself than the project. Trying to reach with
this strategy of global dist is awareness of areas of circ. something rising from one state of reality to the next one.
produce some noise, turn it into something concrete.

CARLA: you have to be very precise- you showed us context/pretext-
have to be precise about how rigorous what constitutes context is.

in last example there is an inversion. Drug routes work because of multiplicity of scales
allowing to continue. INtense flow passing as something dense thru one, once contact is made, it
does not go thru again. Part becomes noise, part goes thru city, part goes back and tries again.
There is a multiplicity of binding mechanisms that the city has. These have to be understood. Scale becomes
then the context. Studying scale- defines intention of your project.

DOUG: seems like the project is in the most positive sense a self discovery
in that case the documents that you produce have to be very rigorous. Graphically the work is very
beautiful but the levels of detail you need to get at.....

CARLA: even if you do not start this way-
studying what a courier is- messenger- how does it/they get formed.
Of course- example, Maria Full of Grace

SHADI: phew, 20 years of architecture and I've never heard anyone say SCALE IS CONTEXT!

But maybe if you go at it thru the Powers of Ten idea... in NYC messengers are bike messengers, etc.
But scales of constantly incremental changing. Traffic goes from mule to truck to stomachs, etc-
I am curious to see how you could make scale become context.

ENRIQUE: I haven't spoken- tho followed every part- but as a spectator one is taken thru parts not knowing
where one is going. I followed the shelters, the drug trade, the aspiration to settlements, etc-
but at what point is your arch. investigation?
Do you design the shelters? The things themselves? How they adapt? How they deploy? How you design them to
deploy them?

MATIAS: more interested in relationships, at level of the shelter.

CARLA: you are ready to start the project entirely over, yes? Once you know how to fragment the problem....


common territory for deterritorialized
social networks
various readings, nietzsche, deleuze and guattari

the productive machine, other smaller machines releaseed in to social fragment
schizo definition fragmentation, delusion, coexistence
drug= antipsych balancing symptoms

foucault engagement with schizo. Absence of time.

'quasi space'
krauss... alphaville...

the system, from outsiders POV makes no sense, but within system, everything makes sense.
perfect as RE schizo.
axis is moving
socius= fragmented
control agent= balance interactions
looking at city, grid.
proposal of boxes, flash of images
connexion of responses
data collection
crowd variables. seeking, repelling, floating
reactions, subdivisions
what does this simulation do
tracing paths of simulation
tracking clusters of behavior
boolean slices, solids and voids
individ relationship to crowd
circulation? xforms thru time?
feedback generate utopia structurally, or is it like sim city?
virtual? actual?


readings!!!! with keller!!!!
definition of problem-
two concepts in video, collage of films sites text.

FILM playback.

Next step- probably two interfaces one for structure of the self, one for the collective construction.


One part struck me as strange.. not strange but-
this list of social schizo seems to begin to get at the things
I have been asking other people to do today- ident. different levels of scale
to operate- such as axis of mobility. Elements ident social ladders-
schizo existing between hierarch in social struct. corp, family.
how to fine tune so you can get at conditions which are victim, or produce social schizo.
this seems lucrative, but then locating installations in voids in the city- problem here is
translation of those specific sites and framewroks into how you think about arch.
Not that you'l find schizo arch, but will exist in arch fabric- you need to map that and then
go thru scales-
you can map this out, some bldgs are financial institutions. Can you talk about social schizo
such that you can map- not sure how you translate in to Arch framework...

next comment- mapping you have done thru 3D work
not sure that what you are after is a skinning or extrusion of paths- to talk about arch
that looks/behaves schizo, but one that produces the effects, and that's different.
one gives a geometric appearance, the other is producing sites where it actually takes place.

Now I can hear CARLA... why would one want to produce a social Scizo.
Your slides- the relation between an internal body and a social body
to the extent that you can identify alternatives to the status quo is a question.
which ones would you identify and to what level of precision can you say these things will be
beneficial or demonstrate an intelligence.

those boxes are locations where certain things are gathered. perhaps you should have looked at Antonioni, rather
than Godard. Antonioni more dealing with WHY we have schizo and alienation in contemp environs.
Also identifying levels of subcultre that are NOT arch at first glance.
Relationship between coca cola and our lives, iPod and our lives, etc.
All play into the construct. of the so called schizo you are talking about.

The places of commerce, play loung, or go to financial district. if you color code, areas mixing green red blue pink
- it is much more broken up.

CARLA: I was going to ask the how. in both projects what I could not understand.
what SHADI proposed for you now- in the case of the crowd diagrams- there is a quality, or what you are calling
crowd in your diagrams- why that is important. it has to become attached to something, even if you open the lenses to something
else. But in both cases I am interested in
the how.

EZIO: I understand why the information that has to go to one or the other- you can have a richer group of interfaces
than if you joined information. What are rules that govern the specificity or autonomy of both.

Same happens in crowd... I want to tag into 'this crowd', etc.

I went into the reading philosophy was stuck, not interested in financial district
looking more like collecting data, reactions...
reactions based on imagery , what you take in
the crowd defined some people have positive, negative neutral reactions

the reactions are gathered... I looked at it in a very primitive way what would they do in a 10x12x12 room
a way to explore buidling diagram in a very primitive way.

SHADI: so they are a survey

ERSELA: a tool to see how to model and spatialize social schizo

EZIO: basic distinction between private/public
tho this notion is mutating it still exists and will probably continue to exist

CARLA: the building of the 2 interfaces- one for the self is for several selves, yes?

EZIO: it is addressed to the individual, if talking collective self then would be second

SHADI: is it radiating or polar system?
gradiations as you move into a space, levels of publicity would change-

EZIO looking at core of both

there will be machines, I am trying to ... the others will eventually emerge.

DOUGLAS: Ersela, I would actually make your survey, not so sure the digital model is helping
you. It's a problem, the spatializing of the space of schizo, and embedding into it universal or
specific cultural readings that we'll have a response to the situations you are talking about.

There is an incredible body of work produced from moment of schizo based on visceral response, you can
make typology from
it is not specifically about spatial typologies of commerce, etc but understanding how and the complexity of elements
which then splinter us into schizo moments.
Clockwork Orange experiment where you saturate viceral response to situations that seem homogeneous but are
factoors behind schizo, like reverse engineering system.

ENRIQUE: the question of social schizo, you should absorb it in a certain way, bring it into the problem of arch. You are
very respectful with the notion but the question is whether arch can deal with any condition in general. Arch and theory.
Danger, it may not address the question at all, or that you deal with it at a purely symbolic level. The boxiness of the city-
is it schizo or not? Decide how you want to use the notion, bring into arch, so it becomes instrument or so that you can deal with
it. Film can be on greed, but can you do a building on greed?

SHADI: and, are you interested in making an analytical framework to handle city and schizo, or are you going to intervene....

ERSELA: not sure if I CAN make an intervention. But want to bring to the surface that condition.

SHADI: is schizo more of an urban condition or general... dense urban conditions? what is the contribution of arch
to this... is it a product of our subculture...

media? Hollywood?

MATHAN: schizo as a mental illness is quite complex. and not well understood. People who are really schizo
are not able to understand- other diagnoses from med practitioners deal with schizo as a diagram mapping their
conclusions- the understanding of schizo is separated from the act of schizo- there is a divorced relationship
between the two parties- if you look at schizo in terms of the city, proposing arch intervention, what is your interest in
outcome- induce, resolve, schizo, etc.
Partly because- how to change the state from going thru it, to actually recognizing it- similar to problem like
diagram of schizo [ as how its been read by medical discipline] this classic problem of turning diagram into arch
is connected

ENRIQUE: if you do a schizo buiilding its symbolic
but you could say that arch can change behavior the way an architect wants... if you leave it as it is, you run the risk of not
being able to problematize it thru a building.

ED: schizo thru Deleuze, antonioni

CARLA: symbolism is difficult, there is no contention, analogy or metaphor- what I would propose is to use the schizo going
more to what you want to discuss- definitions of uprooted ness- a subject inside a condition that it is not belonging to- nomadic condition in homeland rather than necessary condition... we have to all be uprooted for a city to be a city.
So here you can go to all the typologies of agents in the city- tourists, businessmen, etc.


invading cell
virus cell diagram
small entity takes over larger one

film studies
28 days later
tension between two bodies, fear and realization

studies at macro level, cold war
micro level, pedestrian crossings
looked at Transparency intl

food for oil, etc.
virus. extensions to UN
intervention of exterior shells- transparent- with 'virus' inside
reordering UN program inside.
virus taking over each program

turbulence on surface.

[DANIELA: what does turbulence have to do with the virus? ]

selection of diagram outputs
plan reforming
more local scale interventions, partition/furniture/stairs


GREGG 7.32

issues of surveillance
how reconcile privacy, redefine privacy in environ where
everything is transparent

scenes in square- tracking shots-
tracking character movements
diagrams- other shots
initial blendings
unpacking the initial diagrams

ROMA: outdoor dining
bodies, in field.
mapping disruptions

surveillance, 72nd street
static bakdrop for surveillance
can one generate- take these anomalies, turbulences
and amplify them, propagate them thru the system,the topography
of the park- change the backdrop

walking surf
bldg envelope
planting s


SHADI in your mapping, in the film, were you mapping the elevation in the film?

GREGG: subjects position in depth of scene

SHADI: that may be old school, but the concept of mapping is a MAP
when you are mapping a condition in the film, you are mapping- getting a simul.
double reading at same time. Like looking at a persp. view but getting a plan view
at same time. Can claim that simul. representation gives you a third kind
of representation.

The concept of the diptych. back in the day. addition of left and right side gives
third reading

for me, this works better as map, but when showing only what is already in scene
it is not so strong.

GREGG: but I was not so much trying to retell what was there, I was trying to
connect two disparate objects thru blending....
connecting properties of each.

can we see the site.
do you have a rule for deploying all remaining samples..?

GREGG: not yet.

ENRIQUE: it could be a fabulous idea, map conditions from film, deploy from whatever
rule you decide, and then have them as micro programs around your station...
but... are they physical, these maps, or are they actions

GREGG: trace of actions

ENRIQUE: it is more exciting dissociated from physicality.
Now that you know how you would use this would you do it differently

you have a technique and set of rules, you just need to tighen that
but I am more concerned about program- studio is dealing with ambitious program-
scene from film you chose very intimate- how do address the larger scale program of the studio

ENRIQUE: as in OMA's la Villette- bands of micro aggregate to creat a macro event.

SHADI: if you had taken an extremely intimate moment in AMARCORD- and slowtimed,
but in ROMA and speeded time- the arrival shot in the film- for example
then taken two hours of ROMA and compressed and then understood an idea of
surveillance in a way we can't today.
The beautiful thing about surveillance is about stretching time, condensing and collapsing time.
Cameras automated. And about the pressure of time, Tarkovsky- camera holding on a subject.
IN hollywood you don't get this sense any more. Look at Ozu... shoots lock off shots for an hour, when
the camera makes a move you drop on the floor its' so shocking.

DANIELA: maybe that's a way to deal with scale, too

GREGG: Surveillance is rarely analyzed in real time.

SHADI: I am a man obsessed with time lapse myself.
You don't get the same info when you see a flower blossom in a couple of seconds...
growth structure, changing of color-

crasy things... scars, if someone has a wound, the healing of the wound- by condensing time,
I claim that architecturally there are structures embedded that you can't see unless you play
with time...

DOUGLAS: the diagram of action is critical to me. The representation of those vectors placed there- description
of pressures, whether time, action, space- but what I don't see in the project-
question of program, or furniture. not just physical, but all the mechanisms which enable- schedules, economies, surfaces,
textures, colors, which are at play in the analysis you do.

In your description there is a vocabulary of furnitures which enable the pressure of time
to work.
now how can you map them on this specific site.

DOUG: everything is a backdrop to a crime waiting to happen. Precisely the problem in both these
premises youneed to figure out the system for the counterstrategies to work,
on the other hand the UN mapped as a biological model will work thru transparency will take place
thru proxy. So, a hotel inside the UN will guarantee transparency, but ultimately that will produce a
further corruption of another system.

Abdulla, you need to look at how the virus works- to see how tension
is produced, how there are corresponding aspects to the operation of the virus.
I would say that perhaps the NYPD is a better model for you, than the UN.
How accountability takes place in the NYPD.
How to identify mechanisms like trust- you could find those in the viral studies.

MATHAN: Time lapse and the way that you film. You've seen Rear Window?
Sitting on one side of court... frames of windows- he only sees what happens between windows
but what provokes him is what happens where the audience cannot see. Like what Kubrick said,
to really incite fear in an audience you let them invent their own fears.
subjectivity is always part of surveillance. in your analysis- subjectivity takes place
thru the eye of the director- mechanisms that filmic technique uses can't bedivorced from
tech in the city.

Abdulla, in your project- the thing I was concerned about was in terms of the representation
of the work- I mean the way you are reading the work- for example, in your understanding of
viruses it was the way you were looking and what you are looking at.

There are moments where you start to step out and move diagrammatically but then you step
in and move literally. You need to question how you are reading your own work, your own actions.

can you provide the context via the same diagram that we are looking at, or develop the technique
of translating the diagram into form. You need to REALLY look at what you are looking at.

It's not so much the chronological order of things, but thinking about how you are seeing things.

SHADI: should be a new rule in arch. schools! After all the analysis and diagram and mapping is done, you have
to destroy all that stuff. Because that information informs you about things, but that information is inside you
now. I've seen it too many times... maps, diagrams, the next thing you know that diagram becomes the corner of the
building and that's dangerous! You got to take out of the analysis the logic of how the virus works, what are the context,
rules at work, then tranform those rules into architecture... which happens rarely around this building but....
it has its own laws, logic, intrinsic being, at the end of the day, we got 60 MM lenses, stereo ears, proximity sensors....

DANIELA: why choose the building and not the ORG? and why does the virus stay there, not spread...?

You should show it spreading- as an org it has to follow outside the bldg as well.
And who checks up on the virus? is there a check on corruption ?

transparency Int'l is a very suspicious org-every other anti corrupt. org looks at it- they are like
dogs against each other- their president was a WHO director, they all coming mostly from the same
party... it was maybe created to work like a dishwashing machine, to give certified stamps.
So, what you have in hand is a very beautiful situation- inverting typology- so go to the UN to see
what spaces have to be monitored by spaces totally different.

For example there are UN admin, secondary research. whose role is- to implement decisions that had not been yet made.
So, a year or two before a war might have started, her role was to get medical people in place.
The decision was not made in back room, but these teams work on statistics so strong that they put
people into place.

This is about being precise about the places you choose to monitor . Can be either by monitoring, or by creating
a pressure. This is a very interesting boundary where pressure can incorporate also the real transparency. Forcing an opacity to become transparent.
In this theme, you can make that- maybe- thru architecture-

SHADI: but is the proposition slightly naive ? is there anything that can exist truly non corrupt?
THe minute you want to influence a VERY CODED condition, you are already within the code.

DANIELA: interesting to think about this architecturally. it is like a dog chasing its own tail.


DNA sequencing
online profiling
installation- revealing to public
globally located
main concept; DNA testing, community forming
interface- plus future and past engineering

site, where public is maximum
times square
handshake project
voronai diagram
memories times square
pedestr. count
moods and memories maps

TKTS site
use fr matchmaking
DNA compatibility, etc


SILENCIO; engineered silence
thru introspection of silence- develop clearer interactions
the lab that arrives and 'saves the day'
different kinds of site engagements

fight club diagram. In betweening bodies
film overlay work
fight club brazil
Pi fight club
radio brasil

biopower thesis
where can it be 'operated'?
MEDIA mergers...
independent world news sources...
hard to get rid of conspiracy, control.. but you need forces to balance each other
eg, independent world television, alternet, etc
it is a kind of 'anti times square'
the same kind of spectacle with a different intention...
broadway NYC

flow diagrams
106th and bwy

DANIELA: did it have to be manhattan?

DORIAN: nope, but focused on NYC as media capital to some extent.
public place where intention can be demonstrated

SHADI: is this HQ for BioPower?
what is program of bldg.

DORIAN: Alt media- public information dissemination
opening up media... need as objective as possible media source

my concern is that we are not necessarily heading that way.
exposing things that are better left dark, frankly...

NY provided public base it could use.

DANIELA: but if these orgs are different than the main ones.. could viacom use
this building?
do other media orgs need a different type of building than a HQ?

DORIAN: unlike other places, I want the public to get in to any part of this building.
Are they different- well, if these people become powerful, then they end up exerting their
subjective intentions, as people do, and then we'll have to do something like this
somewhere else...

SHADI: but, how can you introduce a counter to this cycle.
You change the face a little bit... more powerful would change the way, do a
guerilla tactic against this. rent the entire times Square for even 30 secs then goes
back to normal times square. How can you challenge those things...

DOUG: i was laughing because you are incredibly clever, astute. The issue I see proposed here
is smart because it acknowledges that if you go too far off counter cultre you become MTV which
is bought up.
Easy to isolate as propaganda... or bought up. So, solution : play it close, do like corp, smell like
corp, know it has shelf life as only 3-4 years, So you play that out.
You DO NEED to do more work in the corp structure.

ED: Look at adbusters, RTMArk, etoy, Onion

DOUG: not seen the architecture yet thinking about this corp structure enough. Is this a strategy that
we do or don't know what you are up to?
Adbusters great example. Can't just be a stapled zine, but now it is sponsored.

DANIELA: silencio... if you had come up with ten different viruses...

MATHAN: partly taking up adbusters- one thing I wonder - are you interested in objectivity?
Adbusters is not meant to be mediator, or objective- it is meant to be a counter operation.
Whereas objectivity - you bring up ethical issues- which are always culturally biased-
therefore- if you take objective view you have to negotiate how you deal with ethics in relationship
to that. Cause you might be moderate, which will always swing.

DOUGLAS: issue of audience. Where is money coming from.
Also underlies santhosh project- a relationship between arch proposing virtual experience
between the self, and the body of the city.

How beautiful it is that the agenda is genuine. For example, proposing that in a puritanical space, a
Probably your project doesn't reach far enough. Doesn't yet take the possibilities of DNA as a system and
the possibility of manifesting that system. I would love to see your project-
there's a booth in a train station here where you can interview people and put in index/archive.
I see your project as a way of doing those kinds of things, but as a way that is much more powerful.
IN the sense I see it about love, people connecting. But of course there is an orwellian side to your project,
a hyper tool for mating, it becomes polluted But you could contrast with GATTACA.

but you have to consider the scalees that the project operates, it can't be just biological.
What is centrality to times square? flows, economy, power?

Why are these conditions essential to the development of your project, and how do you connect it to multiple
programs, not just finding the best mate.

You have to go much deeper. There are chat rooms, like what happens to most immigrants, who find communities that
help them deal with issues of home- communities of diaspora exist - what is done to deal with identity, you need to explore
further to make it an architectural proposition.  

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